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SAT and ACT scores fall to a historical low !!!

Reading the news wires today I learned that the ACT average score dropped to a 32-year low of 19.8 versus 20.3 last year out of a maximum composite score of 36. Also, the SAT avg. composite dropped to 1050 which is the lowest score in the bast 6 cycles since the test was revamped in 2016 from a 2400 maximum 3-part test to a 2-part 1600 max test.

I believe this is due to "learning loss" during the pandemic where most high school students either got behind with distance online learning due to their inability to follow along, keep up with the assignments, lack of personal contact and interaction with peers and teachers, and overall apathy to wake up and attend class diligently each day. It's estimated that most students lost 1/3rd to a 1/2 semester of learning. Some of the students lost a year or two if they checked out completely.

Different groups were affected differently. The luckiest groups were the ones who attend exclusive private boarding schools where classes still happened but students masked up, social distanced and their dining halls were transformed into taking-out food halls versus sit-down dining. Private schools had more support than public schools and wealthier families could hire tutors and still fund their kid's club activities, sports, and ECs. Those attending public schools, especially in large urban areas were affected the most. Some school districts like LA unified school district became a disaster and basically shut down. I remember reading they didn't have enough resources to give tablets or notebook computers to students and didn't have funding for WIFI routers and internet service either for these students. So many of them didn't even have a Spring 2020 semester of quality learning at all.

This is not a good sign for certain groups of students applying to college. The most negatively affected by learning loss were Black, LatinA, and Indigenous groups as well as other marginalized groups like Disabled folk who didn't have access to their special needs schools.

As standardized testing still remains optional at 95% of colleges, the problem is that there is an inherent bias toward admitting high-achieving students who submit test scores versus not submitting at all. Sometimes the bump is marginal, other times it's 50% or better. So wealthier students who have had continued access to test prep continues to produce very high scores while poorer students may have 3 problems, 1.) they have suffered from learning loss which disadvantages them from the subject matter, and 2.) they do not have the same tech access to the internet and online content, and 3. ) they do not have the financial means to procure 3rd party test prep services that can help them boost their scores by 100-200 points like their wealthier counterparts.

While I feel that some high-achieving students still got into their colleges of choice without test scores, the playing field of college admissions is not level. It is not equitable for all high school students and favors wealthy students over poor ones.

In hindsight, it would have been better for all colleges to have completely ignored SAT and ACT test scores until the pandemic was officially over and everyone had returned to in-class learning and made up the difference in their learning loss. A Test Blind policy would have been better than a Test-Optional policy across the board during the pandemic.

https://www.npr.org/2022/10/12/1128376442/act-test-scores-pandemic

https://www.insidehighered.com/admissions/article/2022/10/13/act-and-sat-scores-fall

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2 years ago[edited]

I agree- somewhat. Keeping up during online school was absolutely terrible. Many students' grades were suffering, and many weren't really learning anything during the pandemic. However, there are students in schools who did really well and actually thrived and got good scores on the SAT and ACT. I do see the benefit of a Test Blind policy say in 2020 or early 2021 but now I feel Test-optional is best for now. Unless you could provide how a Test-Blind policy would help in 2022- My stance remains the same.

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🎤2 years ago[edited]

I'm not advocating for a Test Blind policy in 2022, I said in hindsight it would have been better during the pandemic to have had a Test Blind policy. That period is over.

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2 years ago

Ohhh, sorry I misread when you wrote "in hindsight"

I completely agree with having a Test Blind policy during the pandemic, it would've made more sense considering how 'messy' online school was.

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2 years ago

I feel that you are a little too absolute in your stance. By making all colleges go test-blind, you are putting kids that studied and achieved a good score on the SAT into a helpless position. Test-optional is the best of both worlds.

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🎤2 years ago[edited]

@AdithyaU06 If I wasn't clear, re-read this "In hindsight, it would have been better for all colleges to completely ignore SAT and ACT test scores until the pandemic was officially over and everyone had returned to in-class learning and made up the difference in their learning loss. A Test Blind policy would have been better than a Test-Optional policy across the board. " That period is over.

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2 years ago

I understand, and that makes sense. I misread a bit. I would probably consider the period to be just the class of 2021-2, however.

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2 years ago

Since kids are applying to school that dont take the sat or are test optional, they only take the SAT/ACT once and dont study for it becuase they think it doesnt matter. This could contribute to the lower scores.

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🎤2 years ago

@Slyvester taking either multiple times or once has nothing to do with the CollegeBoard or Act.org stats. What the lower composite SAT and ACT test scores averages mean is that each time 1 million kids sign up and take either test the scores are lower, not in a super-scoring environment.

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I was trying to say that since scores are now test optional people are getting lower scores becuase they are not putting in the same effort to get higher scores. If your a student applying to a testblind/test optional school, you might not prep as hard as if it was required. I think this is a factor. I do agree with learning loss at public schools, as i attend a title one school that is 70% minority and have seen the disadvantages myself. Half the juniors at our school have not finished learning the math they need for the psat when they take it in october.

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🎤2 years ago

Yes. I see your point about this and agree.

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2 years ago

I agree that while school was messy during the pandemic, and now that it's over it's easy to say what would have made it better, but have you thought about what would've happened if colleges went test-blind? Suddenly the most solid, most qualitative piece of evidence of a student's education, is gone. Colleges everywhere would have to completely scrap application processes and lower expectations. Yes, test scores fell and that wasn't completely the student's fault. However, the pandemic affected EVERYBODY. The drop isn't on an uneven demographic, and if people still got high scores, that just proves their dedication. Everybody was on a level playing field. Yes, it wasn't fun. Yes, it's over, but I think that since it was a global disaster, the only reason to go test-blind would have been if it had benefited the COLLEGES, who would be left pretty much in the dark about prospective students.

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🎤2 years ago[edited]

@AimForTheStars Standardized tests like the SAT or ACT are not accurate proxies for intelligence nor are they good future indicators of how well a prospective student will perform at college. Let's cut to the ugly truth which is to say they are used as holistic gatekeeping took that cuts both ways to justify accepting certain applicants and denying others. For the naturally gifted geniuses that get a 1550+ or 35+ the first time they take the test, I'm 100% certain that the rest of their academic narrative is enough to qualify them for any college of their choice without a test score. For the grinders that spend 250+ hours getting their super-score up above 1500 or 34 after taking the test 3, 4, or 5 times, their success is a simple function of having the time, money, and resources to do test prep, and take practice tests. If someone gets a 1200 or 25 on their first attempt and then can get a 1500 or 34 by their 3 or 5th attempt, how is this "the most qualitative evidence of a student's education"? It is not. What this is evidence of is that the SAT and ACT can be gamed if you have the time, money, and resources to game them. It's not different than getting a high score on a video game. Put 250 hours into it and you will get a high score. What test optional means for most colleges these days is that they do not have to abide by any score cut-off. They can simply make up the rules as they go, reward or ding anyone they want. This is not a good thing. This is a disaster, especially for poor, marginalized persons of color. They have no ability to game standardized tests.

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2 years ago

You're fighting saying it's unfair to use the ACT and SAT. I'm just saying that going test-blind during the pandemic might not have been a good option for all colleges and that I just think it's a little bit presumptuous to think you can make monumental decisions for international institutions faced with undeniably hard times.

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2 years ago

Sorry if that came out rude. I do find your ideas and input interesting.

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🎤2 years ago

What international institutions that were using the SAT and ACT as admissions criteria faced hard times during the pandemic?

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2 years ago

College Board, for one. They're in charge of SAT, and one of their administrators was telling me about what he did and mentioned that ever since the pandemic, it's been harder to make the SAT something that international transfer students can do. Since the SAT and/or ACT are the staples of an American college, foreign students, governments, and academies want to be able to take them to get into a good American school. Then too, one must consider the colleges themselves, especially ones that have international campuses, like NYU Hong Kong Campus, or colleges that operate with the same standards across borders like the Prague University of arts. Education really suffered through COVID-19, and suddenly grades were all over the place. "Suddenly, you couldn't judge a book by its cover OR the pages inside. You have to read in between the lines, and that's a whole lot harder with fewer words to go by."( That's a quote from K. D., a former dean of admissions and college advisor who's helping my school with Texas university admissions)

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